garrettgarcia 31 minutes ago

Andrew Hall has hypothesized that plasma flow has a large part to play in thunderstorm formation and tornados. These surprising gamma rays mentioned in the article would seem to support Hall's hypothesis.

Hall's theories are well outside of the mainstream and I don't know his credentials, if any, and cannot speak to his hypothesis's veracity. I'm not a scientist. Would any actual scientists care to comment?

Here is a video where he explains his theory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU706V0bltc

cperciva 2 hours ago

Positively charged particles end up at the top of the storm while negatively charged particles drop to the bottom, creating an enormous electric field that can be as strong as 100 million AA batteries stacked end-to-end.

Or put another way, 150 MV. What's with this media obsession with using obscure non-SI units?

  • amateurCoder5 2 hours ago

    That's as strong as 175,000 electric eels!

    • analog31 2 hours ago

      The proper units for electric field would be voltage per unit length. Fortunately an electric eel has both a voltage and a length, so it could be eels per eel.

      • fecal_henge 12 minutes ago

        Thus we have proved that the electric field is dimensionless

  • throwaway314155 2 hours ago

    Familiarity with the unit is important to gauge scale.

    • madars 2 hours ago

      But familiarity gets more remote as you need larger and larger (or, smaller and smaller) multipliers. It's far more illustrative to say "the volume of a typical gas tank" than "the internal volume of hundred million poppy seeds", even though the volumes are in the same ballpark. For example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(voltage) says that high voltage substations are in 100 kV range and 25.5MV is "The largest man-made DC voltage – produced in a Van de Graaff generator at Oak Ridge National Laboratory" and gives me much better color than a "comparison" with 100 million batteries. (By the way, 100 million batteries stacked together is a bit over the length of one marathon - how many readers could easily tell you that just from the description alone? Much better to measure many lengths in marathons than 10^8's of battery lengths!)

      • BobaFloutist 2 hours ago

        That's fair but the average person kinda knows how much (work/light/heat) a single AA battery can do/produce, but not what a substation can do.

        • samplatt 34 minutes ago

          I would posit that no person on earth has personal experience of 100 million AA batteries in a single circuit.

          • lazide 20 minutes ago

            How many have personal experience with 150 MV?

      • lazide 21 minutes ago

        They need to write for an (average) 6th grade reading level - maximum. So think 4th grade most of the time.

        How many 4th graders have any clue what a mega volt is? How many do you think have personal experience with 150 mega volts?

    • calmbonsai an hour ago

      True, but at least get the units right.

      A "stack of AA batteries" as described would be a measure of electrical potential (i.e. voltage), not electric field strength (Volts / unit-length in the applicable dimension(s)).

      It's been known for quite some time that high density static electric field "break-downs" generate electromagnetic radiation all throughout the spectrum--look at any wide-band antenna's reception next to any spark-gap generator. It doesn't take much--even the piezoelectric igniter on a grill wand will do it.

      One can also generate X-rays by rapidly unrolling Scotch tape. It the same phenomena on a _much_ smaller scale. What's "new" here are the two distinct types of gamma discharges indicating (likely) very different field breakdowns--not that these gamma rays themselves are being produced.

  • mhog_hn 2 hours ago

    I agree in giving flak for using the term AA batteries in this context.

    • doodlebugging 34 minutes ago

      They could've made it easier for laymen and laywomen to grok if they simply would've defined the volume of batteries in terms of how many Olympic-sized swimming pools one could fill with all those batteries.

    • ctoth an hour ago

      Shots fired!

  • labster 35 minutes ago

    If all of those 100M AA batteries were laid out flat, they would cover over 13 football fields (70000 sq m), including the Chargers home stadium.

    • lazide 19 minutes ago

      How heavy do you think they’d be in elephants and/or Volkswagen beetles (up to you to pick 70’s era or newer).

  • sneak 36 minutes ago

    Nobody outside of the industry knows how much a megavolt is.

    Megavolts are actually the obscure unit, for normal people.

  • trhway 20 minutes ago

    while the field is strong, the actual energy seems to be not much - a lightning bolt is few billions of Joules, i.e. about 1000 KW/h (100kg gasoline).

  • tourmalinetaco 2 hours ago

    I assume they wanted a way to make it sound massive when it’s really not. Like, that’s about enough to run the average American household for 10 years, but we have power plants that supply multiples of that daily.